By Gregory Michael Brewer (AutTumn)
Hello and Merry Meet Gavin and Janet! First I want to say this is quite the honor and am thankful for the opportunity. This interview is possibly the most difficult we have done yet as I could easily ask 30 or more questions and to limit it to 12 is difficult, but here we go. Janet and Gavin, you are both quite a voice and influence in the Pagan Community to say the least. I own the infamous best-selling A Witches Bible, co-written with the late great Stewart Farrar, and also the book both of you wrote together called Progressive Witchcraft. In total, how many books have each of you written and which is your favorite?
You know, we actually had to check! Eleven books, and three DVDS: Eight Sabbats for Witches, Witches Way (combined as A Witches Bible), The Witches Goddess, The Witches God, Spells and How They Work, Life and Times of a Modern Witch, The Pagan Path, The Healing Craft, The Magical History of the Horse, Dictionary of European Gods and Goddesses, and of course Progressive Witchcraft. This doesn't include Stewart's novels and his first book What Witches Do. Our DVD's include the two box set called Discovering Witchcraft and Janet's story telling DVD Seanachai. Our favorite has to be Progressive Witchcraft, which is based on our current method of working and is the basis of our Progressive Magic Course with Sacred Mists.
A dear friend of mine and fellow High Priest of both the New Albion Tradition and the Circle of the Spirit Tree, Joe Reda, would like to know if you have plans to write a sequel to Progressive Witchcraft?
Well, good news for Joe, yes we are! Progressive Witchcraft is also being re-released next year with Acorn Guild Press. It has been reworked and will have a new title. We are currently at 55,000 words on our new book, the sequel to Progressive Witchcraft which is on trance-prophesy. It obviously covers Drawing Down the Moon, but also goes beyond into other techniques including Seith, and being ‘ridden’ in Voudon. Over the last decade we’ve been developing a system of teaching trance, and this is what we cover in the new book. Some of those elements were briefly touched on in Progressive Witchcraft in several of the chapters, but we go much more extensively into them. Although practically orientated it also covers the history of trance in paganism, as well as other traditions.
Janet, as a former student of Alex Sanders, do you still incorporate any elements of the Alexandrian tradition in your practice today?
We do actually teach all our students the Gardnerian/Alexandrian system, before they move on to the deity connection, shamanic and trance aspects which are at the core of our practise. If someone from another tradition attended one of our circles they would be familiar and comfortable with the ritual frame. We still teach our students this system so that they can walk into any circle and understand what is going on. What is important though is what a visitor DOESN'T SEE. Behind all the familiar ritual is a system of energy work and cosmology – a system of hermetics – which gives a deeper understanding of what is actually happening in ritual. We use an analogy nowadays: 'It's not enough to know how to drive (the magical ) car. You also have to know how the engine works!' A lot of witches out there are very competent at driving 'the magical car'. But nowadays, with so many magazines on the shelves telling you how to do spells, that's simply not enough. We now have to be 'the ritual mechanics', who are there to help when things go wrong.
For our readers that may not yet had the opportunity to read Progressive Witchcraft (and I highly recommend everyone to read this book as it is one of the best books a Pagan can get his or her hands on) I ask you both a question I recently asked author Paul Beyerl. In the book Modern Wicca, author Michael Howard argues that Wicca began as a Magick-based religion, but between the late 70’s and into the 80’s, Wicca shifted from a Magick-based religion and into a nature-based religion. I realize this could be true, but I feel there must have been at least a bit of focus on nature in the original Alexandrian/Gardnerian traditions. What are your thoughts on this matter?
Actually it has swung backwards and forwards over the years between the two. Certainly Gardner and our old friend Doreen Valiente envisaged it as a nature-based tradition. I think during the sixties the influence of Cabala and western tradition made it swing the other way towards being Ritual Magic based, and as you point out, in the ‘80’s it swung back to nature again. Cabala was a major influence in the tradition I (Janet) first came into in the early seventies, the Alexandrian Tradition. This was because Alex was primarily a ritual magician rather than a witch. In the ‘80’s people tended to become more environmentally orientated which is why it swung back. Wicca will always be a nature based tradition, and as time goes on this will remain it’s primary focus, unless of course people intend to do away with the nature based gods and goddesses they worship, and throw out the eight nature based festivals. The magic systems in it might change, but this certainly won’t. In the end it has to be about the Gods and Goddesses of nature or it all becomes meaningless in our view.
Janet, from the time of writing of A Witches’ Bible with Stewart to your most current works with Gavin, how have things changed in the over-all Pagan community and within your personal beliefs?
It has changed considerably. Stewart always use to say that 'what started as a witchcraft movement evolved by the 90's into a pagan movement'. Quite simply since the 1970's it has become much more diverse, and nature, and the Goddess loves diversity! At the time of writing Eight Sabbats for Witches and A Witches Way, (combined to create A Witches Bible) there were few serious books on the Craft or neo-paganism, and certainly not as many people claiming to be witches out there as there is now. This all changed in the 1990's after witchcraft became part of a media explosion with films like The Craft and TV series like Charmed. A younger generation started to appear, who were quick to embrace the Internet, and with them new ideas of what being a witch was all about. This was certainly not a bad thing; it prevented stagnation. More communication meant that neo-paganism became more organized, and we saw the first recognized churches. On the down side, we feel that many covens and witches have been loosing their independence and uniqueness as they face pressure to conform to the herd view of what Wicca is. You now have the situation that some individual witches and covens find themselves thrown out of their traditions if they don't conform. It is almost as if they are now expected to obey some form of unwritten British Traditional Wicca guidelines. This is causing Wicca to loose its 'soul'.
As for our personal beliefs, we have moved more towards a form of Gnostic witchcraft, where deity is at the center of our practice.
It's been strange, but as we've done this, we've become aware that in many respects that by moving forward in this was,
we have in fact been going to back to the more traditional aspects of pagan mysticism. For us deity connection, personal gnosis,
has become the goal of our magical work. This has also made us realize that ultimately if Wicca is a priesthood then we must be
serving those same deities to make the world a better place.
This question may or may not be a bit controversial, but I’m wondering if you think the practice of Wicca and Witchcraft has become watered down so to speak over the years? My opinion is that it may have been.
Over the years we've noticed some interesting patterns related to this question. Basically you get waves of new people coming into Wicca and Witchcraft at intervals. The last was in the late '90's as we mentioned before. Before that it was in the 1980's. Gavin was part of that generation, and the idea that witchcraft was akin and could adopt shamanic techniques occurred. It is related to the influx of 'new blood' into the Craft who have their own ideas. Some will stay creating a peak in numbers who call themselves 'witch' or 'wiccan'. At those points, it appears, as you say that witchcraft has become 'watered down', but you also get a reactionary backlash to these ideas, something we touched on in the last question regarding a fringe in who believe that you cannot be a wiccan unless you originate from the major two traditions and follow the Book of Shadows exactly. They are a minority, but unfortunately, they are a vocal one! As part of this pattern, you then have quite a few people leave, because they only became involved because it was fashionable; it wasn't a spiritual quest for them, and the peak becomes a trough and you get a consolidation of ideas – old and new- that work well with wiccan doctrine. The last one of these occurred in the late '80's and resulted in many Wiccans beginning to work with trance techniques including ourselves and Diane Paxson. We see this as all part of the evolution of Wicca. So yes, things may appear 'watered down at present', but very soon these new ideas will evolve and be adopted into the mainstream of Wiccan thinking. It will be interesting to see what develops in the next decade.
How did both of you come to meet?
We first met in a muddly field in Groby, Leicestershire, England in 1989. It was the first open pagan event in England, Link Up '89. We don't think many people realize in the US how late it was that the UK got it's first pagan networks and open festivals. It was hosted by members of PaganLink, Britain’s first open Pagan Network. Certainly there was The Pagan Federation but it was pretty restrictive and mainly traditional Wicca at that stage. There was no real contact network as such that anyone could join. Unfortunately, for the event the tabloid newspapers discovered about the festival with banner headlines like: 20,000 Witches to Descend on Leicester University! This meant we lost the venue and had to hold it in a muddy field for the weekend. Well, Gavin volunteered to do First Aid on site, being a Registered Nurse, which is how he met us (Janet and Stewart). He made sure we got plenty of hot cups of tea, particularly as I (Janet) was dressed for an indoor event. Gavin became firm friends with the organizers, and became a PaganLink and then Pagan Federation contact in the UK. Some of his friends later moved close to Stewart and myself, and began to regularly visit us, before moving in with us in 1993.
As far as I’m aware, the word Eko, from the famous chant Eko, Eko, Azarak… means, “Come!” Is this true and do you have anything more to say about this powerful chant?
We were taught that ‘Eko’ means return. It actually comes from the same word as ‘echo’. It’s only a powerful chant if you know what it means. The term ‘Eko’ was also used by Crowley, in fact quite a few elements of the Gardnerian Book of Shadows originated from Crowley’s collected works the Equinox. We’ve done away with chants and invocations in our coven. We were taught that you never invoke something unless you know what you are doing. Well, using a chant and not knowing it’s meaning is certainly not knowing what you are doing!
The growing movement called Christian Wicca is in debate amongst many Pagans. There are many Witches who cannot accept this. While I do not necessarily claim to be a practitioner of this path, I do understand the sentiments. What is your opinion?
We have no problem as long as those Christians really do know who Christ was, an Essene priest. Modern Christianity seems to have conveniently forgotten that before the Roman Empire came into the Holy Land that it was actually part of the Egyptian Empire. Much of what the REAL Jesus taught was actually the Egyptian mysteries handed down to him through the Essene cult. If you are a Christian Witch, then you need to be aware of this, and that Mary Mother of God is actually Isis with Christ as Horus. Of course Mary, the Madonna evolved from the Cult of Isis/Artemis, the Great Goddess. Christianity had no choice but to adopt her in some form in 440 AD at the Council of Ephesus. The choice of using her cult center for this council was by no means a 'coincidence'. Even in Buddhism they could not get rid of the Mother Goddess figure, where she appears as the Goddess Tara in two forms, White and Green. The same situation occurred in the religions of China and Japan, where Kwan Yin still fills this role. Quite simply, it is impossible to get rid of the Goddess, she is too ingrained in our psyches, and this will probably remain the case until the human race is all conceived and born in test tubes!
There is no reason you cannot accept Jesus as your 'personal savior' if you are a Christian Witch, but it must also be remembered that he was not the only one. Much of this idea in Christianity comes from other risen pagan gods such as Dionysus, Atis, Osiris, Baldur, the Mabon etc. Even Holy Communion, the Niccean Creed, has its origins with the Cult of Mithras/Solus Invictus, who was worshipped by the Emperor Constantine. This cult also absorbed aspects of the very popular Cult of Dionysus within it. Hence, in Roman Catholicism the drinking of wine as the blood of Christ was of course, originally the blood of Dionysus, just as the host was his body; the transubstantiation. These were all parts of the Dionysian Cult. If your going to be a Christian Witch you better know your history in our view!
A few other contemporary Pagan authors such as Christopher Penczak, who I hold in high regard, have incorporated elements of Ceremonial Magick into the practice of Witchcraft. In the Alexandrian tradition, and perhaps Gardnerian, were there at one time bits of Ceremonial Magick in the mix? What is your opinion on this matter?
There is nothing new in the incorporation of Ceremonial Ritual Magic in Wicca. Some aspects came from Aleister Crowley's work The Equinox, which were included by Gerald Gardner. Even the Charge of the Goddess has aspects of this from Crowley's Leviter Veslis (Lifting of the Veil). It was Alex Sanders, who of course I (Janet Farrar) worked with who really blurred the lines between witchcraft and ceremonial ritual magic. He actually saw no difference. This was something I realized after I had left his coven, and began to work with Stewart. Now, if Ceremonial Magic works as a system of magic for you, that's fine, but you have to realize that it isn't witchcraft, it's a magical science, and still has it's hang ups related to Judeo-Christianity and monotheistic belief. While the magical system may work and be incorporated into witchcraft, we feel that the theology behind it is at odds with pagan practice. Personally we have moved more towards more traditional forms of pagan magic and shamanic practice, which embrace a polytheistic viewpoint because of this.
What is your opinion regarding eclectic Wicca versus traditions?
What is the difference? We know people who are very eclectic in their practices; they use elements of Hungarian and Basque in their invocations, as well as invoking an Italian Lunar Goddess, and a Romano-Celtic Horned God. They also have elements of Western Tradition and Cabala in their circle casting and magical practices. Nearly all their practices can actually be traced back to works of literature, some now very obscure, from the 1940’s. Am I talking about ‘eclectics’? No, we’re talking about the Alexandrian and Gardnerian Traditions. Wicca is by its very nature eclectic. Doreen Valiente, the mother of modern witchcraft, used to sum it is up in these words ‘if it works use it!’ The old Gardnerians were very eclectic, as were the original Alexandrians. So where is the difference? We both feel we need to move beyond this need to separate ourselves and our practices from each other with words like ‘Alexandrian’, ‘Gardnerian’ or ‘eclectic’. You are a witch or you are not! The only reason we have the concept of traditions in Wicca is because of an argument between a figure called Taliesin and Arnold Crowther back in the early ‘60’s. It was Taliesin who coined the term saying in an article ‘These Gardnerians…’ Sander’s failure to be accepted as a witch by the Crowthers resulted him coining his own term ‘Alexandrian’. So the concept of traditions in Wicca came about from arguments and divisions between people, and have been a source of such divisions ever since in the Wiccan community. That is not to say that we don’t feel that people shouldn’t be proud of their origins, but when that becomes ego driven with statements like ‘we’re real Wiccans, and you’re not’ then it’s a problem
With the approach of Yule, do you have any favorite ways to celebrate this holiday?
For us it's a 'family gathering' with members of our temple all coming together at our cottage in Kells, around about Winter Solstice. It includes our core covens members and our 'temple'; our extended family, what in the US is often called an outer core. It does include all our members’ families as well, including the children. The ritual is small and informal, but the evening is about family not ceremony.
Once again, we of Chicago Pagan Pride give you BIG thanks for this interview. This last question is one we ask to conclude each interview. Do you have any advice to share with those new to the Wiccan/Pagan path, and perhaps a few words of wisdom for those who have practiced for some time?
We'd quote the charge: And you who seek to know Me, know that the seeking and yearning will avail you not, unless you know the Mystery: for if that which you seek, you find not within yourself, you will never find it without. What your 'tradition' is in witchcraft is really unimportant; it is purely a system to help you make the connection with the mystery, the divine. It doesn't matter who initiated you, or whether they were correctly 'prepared' or 'initiated'. Ultimately it is the divine that is the great initiator, the god or the goddess you connect with. Always remember why you became involved in this path and don't allow anyone to distract you with dogmas or doctrines: Keep pure your highest ideal; strive ever towards it; let naught stop you or turn you aside. This is a path about healing: healing yourself, others, and the world. Magic and Spell craft are just aids to help you do that work; they are not the path itself. Although self healing is part of this process, if you are not serving the world, humanity and the divine then all it is, is an act of spiritual masturbation; an act of self gratification.
Blessed Be
Maria Alioto
Chicago Pagan Pride
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Heart of the Morrighan Community Interfaith Temple
Yule
By Abby Willowroot
Taken from the 2007 Llewellyn’s Witches’ Datebook 2007
The longest night of the year marks the return of the Sun and the lengthening of days, a time of introspection, and celebration of endurance and the powers of hope.
Winter Solstice is a time of gathering with friends, family, and neighbors to share the stored abundance of the previous harvest and make ready for the long winter ahead. This Sabbat is an affirmation of hope.
Yule is both a Scandinavian and Germanic festival marking the winter holiday. The decoration of trees, the singing of songs and telling of stories, hot-spiced drinks, and sacred pine boughs all have their roots in Pagan Winter Solstice and Yule practices. Deer and their association with the Horned God Cernunnos have also survived in modern celebrations. Ancient Druids harvested mistletoe from Sacred Oaks to hand in the doorway of homes to ensure the blessings of the Sacred Groves and for good luck.
The Yule log is lit, mistletoe is harvested and hung, bonfires blaze, feasting, and sharing handmade objects all take place on Winter Solstice to celebrate the passage of the longest night and the return of the Sun’s power.
The Yule Log
By: Gregory Michael Brewer (AutTumn)
For centuries throughout ancient Europe, Pagans have celebrated the return of the Sun on the day/night of the Winter Solstice. Many contemporary Pagans, A.K.A. Neo-Pagans, refer to this holiday celebration as Yule and the tradition survives to this day, just remember the verse…join the Ancient Yuletide Carol… Among many ways of celebrating Yule, one of the oldest is the creation of a Yule Log.
The Yule Log traditionally is a wooden log that has been cut to a desired shape and includes three carved holes: one on the left, one in the center, and the other on the right. Often, candles to represent the Goddess, the God, and the divine union occupy these three spaces
There are many reasons to include a Yule log in your Winter Solstice celebration, which falls on December 21st this year. Let’s begin with symbolism. The eve of the Winter Solstice is the longest night of the year, that is when we see the least amount of sunlight, but the following day after the solstice the amount of light beings to increase just a bit, hence the return of the sun or the birth/re-birth of god. The candles of the Yule Log when lit represent this return of light and warmth. It has been said that lighting or burning a Yule Log will bring magickal protection to the home as well as blessings for the coming year.
In time this tradition, much like the Yule Tree, has been adopted by many Christians and became
the Christmas Log representing the light of the savior instead of the return of sun.
Making a traditional Yule Log is quite easy. Find a dried log, or even a piece of firewood, and then carve or drill three evenly spaced holes fit to hold three candles in each. The left side should be filled with a green candle (tapers work best,) the center with a white or gold candle, and the right with a red candle, but you can also use three white candles or any colors that you see fit. Intention is the only thing that matters. You may also add other decorations to the log that you would like such as pinecones. But that is not all. There are many other ways to enjoy a Yule Log as well.
One method, and a tasty one I must add, is to bake or purchase a Yule Cake, which can be eaten on Solstice night for the very same purposes. You may also simply light three candles in glass, wooden, or ceramic candleholders to represent the Yule Log. There is no wrong way.
Of course there are other methods and even more historical accounts and myths in regard to the Yule Log, but rather than reporting all the details of ancient legend and folklore, I urge you to do additional research on your own, and most importantly, begin crafting your own Yule Log.
Blessed Be!
Volunteer Corner
By Maria Alioto
Merry Meet EKO Readers,
With so many people in the midst of the holiday hustle and bustle we really do not take the time to think about volunteering.
We tend to be too busy with our own families and our own celebrations, making plans, buying gifts, baking and all the other traditional holiday stuff.
We do not even think about volunteering during this time as we are usually overstressed in our own lives.
Volunteering can be done at so many levels and at this time even donating food items to a local food pantry, or helping a family in need with a few gifts for their kids goes a very long way.
A few years ago some friends of mine, decided they still wanted to go Christmas for the holiday even though their family decided they were opting out of giving gifts. The purchased all kinds of stuff,
wrapped it up and donated it to charity. The Charity was absolutely thrilled with getting so many extra gifts that year. They were so happy about their idea being so well received they decided to do it every year since.
Enjoy your holiday season and remember those in need.
Blessed Be
Maria
Community events
By Maria Alioto
KOTAW Coven
KOTAW, also known as Keepers of the Ancient Ways, meets at Witchies every
Friday at 9:00 PM and is holding open classes on the 2nd Fridays of each month from 9:00 PM
until about Midnight. Listed below are the topics they are covering through February 2011
-December 10th - Coven Leadership
-January 14th - Coven Offices
-February 11th - Dear Gods Why Me? (or Pantheons and Correlations)
You do not need to pre-register for these classes, as they will
be happening with or without additional students.
Well Read Witch - sponsored by NIPA - INDIANA event
This event repeats every month on the third Monday and meets from
7:00 pm - 9:00 pm at Bakers Square on Rt 30 in Merrillville on Route 30 in Merrillville, IN
TranZformation: A Center for Spirit
TranZformation is moving.
http://www.tranzformation.biz/
Contact Rosina at 708-361-2080 for more information
Northwest Pagan Bar Night
Finally, a Northwest social event is in the works! Every third Friday of the month,
there will be a Northwest Pagan Bar Night. Every night, we'll meet up at William Street Tap
to talk and mingle, and then around 9:00 we'll head next door to Finn McCool's to dance
and party and just have some fun. Both bars are in downtown Crystal Lake, just off of the
train station. They're located next to the local New Age Shops and other various interesting
stores and most close around 6:00.
Come and explore downtown in the afternoon and then meet up with us around 8:00 p.m.
to mix, meet and mingle with your fellow pagans. RSVP before hand so we know how many to
expect. You'll be able to recognize us by a sign that will say
Northwest Branch of the Chicago Pagan Fellowship
Bring your dancing shoes and some lively conversation and prepare to have some fun!
If you have any questions- go to meetup.com/earthspiritchicago or call Mark at 312-428-0497.
Tarot Share at Witchy Wearables
every month on the first Friday until December 12, 2010
4459 W. 147th. St.
Midlothian, IL 60445
708-389-1313
Led by KestrelMorn and Vivian.
Love Offering appreciated.
Witchy's offers many classes so call them up or drop by to learn more. Call for details
Starting on the second Tuesday of April Year and a Day class will be offered.. It will meet at 7pm the second Tuesday of each month until May 2011. Contact Morn at maureengeiger@hotmail.com if you are interested.
Spiral Scouts- Contact KestrelMorn at 708-389-1313
Fox River Valley Pagan Social
7:00 pm - 9:15 pm
When: Every Second Wednesday, at 7:00PM
Where: Panera Bread
2871 E Main St
St Charles IL 60174
630-513-1044
Merry meet. Come hang out with the pagans.We get together every
month for discussion. A different topic and learning activity every month. Come to our gathering and share in the magic. Bring your friends bring you kids, bring your neighbors, co workers, and bring strangers off the street, bring relatives we let everyone in. Formerly Aurora/Wheaton Pagan Meetup now on a new format
tered Spirituality. We tend to steer people towards their own conclusions, and do not press upon anyone a specific dogma or path."
http://www.meetup.com/earthspiritchicago/calendar/12682938/
Weekly Heathen Chat
Meets every Tuesday from 8-9 central time.
How it works---------Sign into Yahoo IM (from 8-9pm Central time) and look for "Atheleasi" or "Hofkona". (When you IM us, please send us BOTH a friend request and mention you are there for the Heathen chat.)
We'll be acting as beacons so everyone can find each other, and we'll then invite you to the private chatroom. (We can't invite people to a private chat, unless we have received a friend request!)
Witch Hat Society
Witch Hat Society has monthly events in Indiana the third Thursday of each Month at Thursday Oct. 22 7:00 p.m. at Baker's Square in Merrillville, IN
For more info contact Regina at witchhatsociety@yahoo.com
Recipes
Veggie Chili
Submitted By Paula Stone
5 ½ cups water
3/4 cup bulgur wheat [See note].
2 tsp olive oil
1 cup each chopped onion and red pepper
2 tbsp salt-free chili powder
2 tsp each minced garlic and ground cumin
1 can (28 oz.) crushed tomatoes
1 can (15 oz.) 100% pure pumpkin
1 medium zucchini, diced
1 cup frozen corn
1 can (15.5 oz.) low-sodium black beans, rinsed
½ cup chopped cilantro
Put 3 cups of the water and the bulgur in a medium microwave-safe bowl. Cover and microwave on high until bulgur is tender, about 15 minutes.
Meanwhile, heat oil in a large nonstick skillet. Add onion and pepper; sauté 5 minutes. Add chile powder, garlic, and cumin; sauté until fragrant.
Add remaining 2 ½ cups water, the tomatoes, pumpkin, zucchini and corn; bring to a boil over medium-high heat. Reduce heat and simmer 10 minutes, stirring occasionally, until vegetables are tender.
Stir in beans and bulgur; heat through. Remove from heat and stir in cilantro.
5 Minute Tomato Sauce
Submitted by Paula Stone
1/4 cup extra virgin olive oil
1 1/2 teaspoons crushed red pepper flakes
1/2 teaspoon fine grain sea salt
3 medium cloves of garlic, finely chopped
1 28-ounce can crushed red tomatoes
zest of one lemon
Combine the olive oil, red pepper flakes, sea salt, and garlic in a cold saucepan. Stir while you heat the saucepan over medium-high heat, saute just 45 seconds or so until everything is fragrant - you don't want the garlic to brown. Stir in the tomatoes and heat to a gentle simmer, this takes just a couple minutes. Remove from heat and carefully take a taste (you don't want to burn your tongue)...If the sauce needs more salt add it now. Stir in the lemon zest reserving a bit to sprinkle on top of your pasta.
Makes about a quart of tomato sauce.
www.101cookbooks.com
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